have read the manu smriti, and i found to my dismay that the code set by manu is
a lot discriminating to woman reducing them to something like menial workers. The
caste system mentioned in the smriti is unbelievable that it gives the feeling
as though caste system had something to do with hinduism.
how come an incarnation of vishnu, give mankind, a set of codes that sets a sort of discriminative rules against the weaker sez, and the rigid caste system?
The Code of Manu states, "In childhood a female must be subject to her father, in youth to her husband, then to her sons; a woman must never be independent. There is no God on earth for a woman than her husband.....She must on the death of her husband allow herself to be burnt alive on the same funeral pyre. That everyone will praise her virtue."
this is a verse from the manu smriti. can some1 explain y woman is portrayed in such a manner. especially the last line which actually is SATI, which has been abolished in India now, since it was one of the biggest social evils to exist in the society
1. For the welfare of humanity the supreme creator Brahma, gave birth to the Brahmins from his mouth, the Kshatriyas from his shoulders, the Vaishyas from his thighs and Shudras from his feet. (Manu's code I-31,)
2. God said the duty of a Shudra is to serve the upper varnas faithfully with devotion and without grumbling. (Manu 1-91) Manu is not satisfied with this. He wants this servile status of the Shudras to be expressed in the names and surnames of persons belonging to that community. Manu says:
3. Let the first part of a Brahman’s name denote something auspicious, a Kshatriya’s be connected with power, and a Vaishyas with wealth but a Shudra’s express something contemptible. (Manu II. 31.)
4. The second part of a Brahmin’s name shall be a word implying happiness, of a Kshatriya’s (a word) implying protection, of a Vaishya’s a term expressive of thriving and of a Shudra’s an expression denoting service. (Manu II. 32.)
5. A hundred year old Kshatriya must treat a ten year old Brahmin boy as his father. (Manu 11-135)
6. The Brahmin should never invite persons of other varnas for food. In case, the latter begs the Brahmin for food, the Brahmin may give them some left-over. Even these left-over must be served not by the Brahmin but by his servants outside the house. (Manu II2).
7. He who instructs Shudra pupils and he whose teacher is a Shudra shall become disqualified for being invited to a shradha. (Manu III. 156.)
8. A Shudra is unfit of receive education. The upper
varnas should not impart education or give advice to a Shudra.It is not
necessary that the Shudra should know the laws and codes and hence need not be
taught. Violators will go to as amrita hell. (Manu IV-78 to 81)
10. He must never read the Vedas in the presence of the Shudras. (Manu IV. 99.)
11. Any country, where there are no Brahmins, of where they are not happy will get devastated and destroyed. (Manu VIII-20 to 22)
12. A Brahmana who is only a Brahman by decent i.e., one who has neither studied nor performed any other act required by the Vedas may, at the king’s pleasure, interpret the law to him i.e., act as the judge, but never a Shudra (however learned he may be). (Manu VIII. 20.)
13. The Kingdom of that monarch, who looks on while a Shudra settles the law, will sink low like a cow in the morass. (Manu VIII. 21.)
14. Any Brahmin, who enslaves or tries to enslave a Brahmin, is liable for a penalty of no less than 600 PANAS. A Brahmin can order a Shudra to serve him without any remuneration because the Shudra is created by Brahma to serve the Brahmins. Even if a Brahmin frees a Shudra from slavery the Shudra continues to be a slave as he is created for slavery. Nobody has the right to free him. (Manu VIII-50,56 and 59)
15. A Shudra who insults a twice born man with gross invectives shall have his tongue cut out; for he is of low origin. (Manu VIII. 270.)
16. If he mentions the names and castes of the (twice born) with contumely, an iron nail, ten fingers long, shall be thrust red hot into his mouth. (Manu VIII. 271.)
17. If a Shudra arrogantly presumes to preach religion to Brahmins, the king shall have poured burning oil in his mouth and ears. Manu VIII. 272.)
18. A Shudra who has an intercourse with a woman of the higher caste guarded or unguarded shall be punished n the following manner; if she was unguarded, he loses the offending part; if she was guarded then he should be put to death and his property confiscated." (Manu VIII. 374.)
19. A Brahman may compel a Shudra, whether bought or unbought, to do servile work for he is created by the creator to be the slave of a Brahmana. (Manu VIII. 413.)
20. No Shudra should have property of his own, He should have nothing of his own. The existence of a wealthy Shudra is bad for the Brahmins. A Brahman may take possession of the goods of a Shudra. (ManuVIII-417 & X129)
21. A Brahman may seize without hesitation, if he be in distress for his subsistence, the goods of his Shudra. The Shudra can have only one occupation. This is one of the inexorable laws of Manu. says Manu. (Manu VIII. 417)
22. A Shudra who wants to just fill his stomach may serve a Vaishya. If he wants a permanent means of living he can serve a Kshatriya. But if he wants to go to heaven or wants higher or superior birth in the next generation he must serve a Brahmin. (ManuIX334 & 335)
23. The most sacred duty of a Shudra is to serve the Brahmins, always, reciting the words "Brahman" with utmost devotion. Such a Shudra will get salvation. Otherwise he will die a worst death and will go to the worst hell. (Manu X-121)
24. But let a (Shudra) serve Brahmans, either for the sake of heaven, or with a view to both (this life and the next) for he who is called the servant of a Brahman thereby gains all his ends. (Manu X. 122.)
25. The service of Brahmans alone is declared (to be) an excellent occupation for a Shudra for whatever else besides this he may perform will bear him no fruit. (Manu X. 123.)
26. They must allot to him out of their own family (property) a suitable maintenance, after considering his ability, his industry, and the number of those whom he is bound to support. (Manu X. 124.)
27. Brahmins to give Shudras food leftovers, old torn clothes, spoiled grain and old utensils (Manu X-125)
28. No superfluous collection of wealth must be made by a Shudra, even though he has power to make it, since a servile man, who has amassed riches, becomes proud, and, by his insolence or neglect, gives pain to Brahmins. (Manu X. 129.
29. A Brahmin shall never beg from a Shudra, property for (performing) a sacrifice i.e., for religious purposes. All marriages with the Shudra were prescribed. Marriage with a woman belonging to any of three other classes was forbidden.
A Shudra was not to have a connection with a woman of the
higher classes and an act of adultery committed by a Shudra with her was
considered by Manu to be an offence involving capital punishment. (Manu XI.
24.)1, 2 ,3, 4In the matter of acquiring learning and knowledge Manu’s
successors went much beyond him in the cruelty of their punishment of the Shudra
for studying the Veda. For instance, Katyayana lays down that if a Shudra over
heard the Veda or ventured to utter a word of the Veda, the king shall cut his
tongue in twain and pour hot molten lead in his ear. Manu’s law book and its
strict compliance by the Brahmans, it may be summarized that men and women are
not born equal. There is no room for individual merit and no consideration of
individual justice. If the individual has the privilege, it is not because it is
due to his/her personally.
Black Laws against the Women - Casteism and Degration of Women
1. Every woman must be loyal, faithful. obedient honorable to her husband even if he is blind, deaf, dumb, old, physically handicapped, debauchel or, gambler and neglects his wife and lives with his concubine(s). If the husband is unhappy, it would be the fault of his wife. If he cries, she should cry. If he laughs she should laugh. She can only answer humbly to his question. She should not on her own put any question. She should eat only after her husband eats. If he is beating she should not react, but fall on his feet and beg him to pardon her, and kiss his hands and pacify him. If the husband dies she should burn herself to death on his funeral pyre and go along with him to the other world and serve him there in this manner. (Padma Purana)
2. Women are fickle minded. Never believe them. Friendship with a women is just like friendship with a wolf. (Rig-Veda 8-33-7)
3. A virtuous woman is one who dies on the funeral pyre of her dead husband and avails the privilege of serving her husband in the other world. (Atharva Veda 18-3-1)
4. Woman is the source of sorrow. At birth she makes her mother weep. At the time of the puberty she makes her parents weep. At the time of the marriage she makes all her family members and relatives weep. In youth she commits lot of blunders and brings bad name to the entire family, relatives and Varna. She tortures the hearts of her parents, husband and other family members. She is called 'DARIKA' because she is source of sorrow to all.
6. Even for a woman, the performance of the sanskaras are necessary and they should be performed. But they should be performed without uttering the Veda Mantras." (Manu II. 60)
7. It is the nature of women to seduce men in this (world); the wise are never unguarded in the company of males. (Manu II. 213)
8. For women are able to lead astray in (this) world not only a fool, but even a learned man, and (to make) him a slave of desire and anger." (Manu II.214)
9. One should not sit in a lonely place with one's mother, sister or daughter, for the senses are powerful, and master even a learned man." (Manu II. 215)
10. A Brahmin male by virtue of his birth becomes the first husband of all women in the universe. (Manu III. 14)
11. Women not care for beauty, nor is their attention fied on age; (thinking); (it is though that) he is a man, they give themselves to the handsome and to the ugly. (Manu IV. 14)
12. By a girl, by a young woman, or even by an aged one, nothing must be done independently, even in her own house." (Manu IV. 147)
13. In childhood a female must be subject to her father, in youth to her husband, when her lord is dead to her sons; a woman must never be independent. (Manu IV. 148)
14. She must not seek to separate herself from her father, husband or son; by leaving them. She would make them both (her own and her husband's) family incompatible. (Manu IV. 149)
15. A Brahman must never eat food given at a sacrifice performed by a woman. (Manu IV. 205)
16. Sacrifices performed by women are inauspicious and not acceptable to god. They should therefore be avoided. (Manu IV. 206)
17. A girl must be under the care of her father . . . in youth under the care of the husband and in old age under the care of her sons. But she should never be free and independent. (Manu V. 148)
18. She must always be cheerful, clever in management of her household affairs, careful in cleaning her utensils and economical in expenditure. (Manu V. 150)
19. Him to whom her father may give her, or her brother with the father's permission, she shall obey as long as he lives and when he is dead, must not insult his memory. (Manu V. 151)
20. The husband who wedded her with sacred mantras is always a source of happiness to his wife, both in season and out of season, in this world and in the next. (Manu V1. 53)
21. Though destitute or virtuous, or seeking pleasure elsewhere, or devoid of good qualities, yet a husband must be constantly worshipped as a god by a faithful wife. (Manu V. 154)
22. No sacrifice, no vow, no fast must be performed by women, apart from their husbands. If a wife obeys her husband, she will for that reason alone be exalted in heaven. (Manu V. 155)
23. At her pleasure let her (i.e. widow) enunciate her body, by living voluntarily on pure flowers, roots and fruits, but let her not when her lord is deceased, even pronounce the name of another man. (Manu V. 157)
24. But a widow, who from a wish to bear children, slights her deceased husband by marrying again, brings disgrace on herself here below, and shall be excluded from the seat of her lord (in heaven). (Manu V. 161)
25. Responsibly the father who gives not (his daughter) in marriage at the proper time. (Manu IX. 4)
26. A woman must always maintain her virtue and surrender her body to her husband only, ever if she is married off to an ugly person or even a leper. (Manu IX. 14)
27. Through their passion for men, through their mutable temper, through their natural heartlessness, they become disloyal towards their husbands, however, carefully they may be guarded in this (world). (Manu IX. 15)
28. Knowing their disposition, which the Lord of Creatures laid in them at the creation, to be such, (every) man should most strenuously exert himself to guard them. (Manu IX. 16)
29. When creating them, Manu allotted to women (a love of their) bed, (of heart) seat and (of) ornament, impure desires, wrath, dishonesty, malice, and bad conduct. (Manu IX. 17)
30. Killing of a woman, a Shudra or an atheist is not sinful. Woman is an embodiment of the worst desires, hatred, deceit, jealousy and bad character. Women should never be given freedom. (Manu IX. 17 and V. 47, 147)
31. Women have no right to study the Vedas. That is why their Sanskars are performed without Veda Mantras. women have no knowledge of religion because they have no right to know the Vedas. The uttering of Veda Mantras, they are as unclean as untruth is." (Manu IX. 18)
32. All women are born of sinful wombs. (Bhagavad-Gita IX 32)
33. The husband is declared to be one with the wife, which means there could be no separation once a woman is married. (Manu IX. 45)
34. Neither by sale nor by repudiation is a wife released from her husband. (Manu IX. 46)
35. To a distinguished, handsome suitor of equal caste should she have not attained (the proper age) (i.e. although she may not have reached puberty). (Manu IX. 88)
36. A wife, a son and a slave, they three are declared to have no property: the wealth which they earn is (acquired)for him to whom they belong. (Manu IX. 416)
37. None of the acts of women can be taken as good and reasonable. (Manu X.4)
38. Day and night women must be kept in dependence by males (of their families), and, if they attach themselves to sexual enjoyments, they must be kept under one's control. (Manu XI2)
39. Her father protects (her) in childhood, her husband
protects (her) in youth, and her sons protect (her) in old age; a woman is never
fit for independence." (Manu XI. 3)
41. Considering that the highest duty of all castes even weak husbands (must) scribe to guard their wives. (Manu XI. 6)
42. A woman shall not perform the daily sacrifices prescribed by the Vedas. Then according to IX.37 if she does it, she will go to hell. (Manu XI. 36)1, 2, 3, 4 From- Casteism: The Eighth Worst Wonder by Dr. S. L. Virdi, Pages-39-43)
No one is to argue critically about vedas because religion
has originated from them. Any nastika (non-believer) or critic of the Vedas, who
"insults" them on the basis of logic, is worthy of being socially boycotted by
"noble" persons. Women, that is, even women belonging to Brahmin, Kshatriya and
Vaishya varna are not entitled to upanayan and the study of the Vedas. For them,
marriage is equivalent to upanayan and service of their husbands is equivalent
to the study of the Vedas in the gurukul. Even if the husband is morally
degraded, engaged in an affair with another woman and is devoid of knowledge and
other qualities, the wife must treat him like a god. A widower is allowed to
remarry but a widow is not. Besides, women are not considered fit for being free
and independent. They are to be protected in their childhood by father, in youth
by husband and in old age by son. They should never be allowed by their
guardians to act independently. A woman must never do anything even inside her
home without the consent of her father, husband and son respectively. She must
remain in control of her father in childhood, of husband in youth and of son
after the death of her husband.
The much-glorified Bhagvat-Gita, too, favors varna-vyavastha.When Arjuna refuses to fight, one of his main worries was that the war would lead to the birth of varna-sankaras or offspring from intermixing of different varnas and the consequent "downfall" of the family. On the other hand, Krishna tries to motivate Arjuna to fight by saying that it was his varna-dharma (caste-duty) to do so because he was a Kshatriya. In fact, Krishna goes to the extent of claiming that the four varnas were created by him only.
Dealing with the question of wages to the shudras:
X – 124. They must
allot to him (shudra) out of their own family property a suitable maintenance,
after considering his ability, his industry and the number of those whom he is
bound to support.
X – 125. The remnants
of their food must be given to him, as well as their old clothes, the refuge of
their grain and their old household furniture.
X – 129. No
collection of wealth must be made by a shudra even though he be able to do it;
for a shudra who has acquired wealth gives pain to Brahmana.
XI – 6. One should
give, according to one’s ability, wealth to Brahmanas learned in the veda and
living alone; (thus) one obtains after death heavenly bliss.
XI – 261-62. A
Brahmana who has killed even the peoples of the three worlds, is completely
freed from all sins on reciting three times the Rig, Yajur or Sama- Veda with
Thus in Hinduism, there
is no choice of avocation. There is no economic independence and there is no
economic security. Economically, speaking of a shudra is a precarious thing.
Successors of Manu made
the disability of the shudra in the matter of study of veda into an offence
involving dire penalties as:
XII. 4. If the shudra intentionally listens for committing to memory the veda, then his ears should be filled with (molten) lead and lac; if he utters the veda, then his tongue should be cut off; if he has mastered the veda his body should be cut to pieces.
The Manu Code of Laws (the revered book of Hindus) stated 2000 years ago :
"No collection of wealth was to be made by Shudras (low caste) even though he /she may be able to do it, for a Shudra who has acquired wealth gives pain to Brahmin, and that a Brahmin may appropriate by force the property of Shudra" (Manu Smriti X, 129)
Brahma (God the Creator) had intended from eternity that the Untouchables should
be born slaves, live as slaves and die as slaves" (Manu
Chapter 19, #413)